Question:

'Things Done Changed,' by Notorious B.I.G., describes the blows absorbed by African American communities, including the line 'what happened to the summertime cookouts?' It's a compelling question. What happened?

Answer:

Initially, the economic changes in the U.S. over the past 30 years disproportionately affected less educated minority males. There were no more factory jobs, and then crack came in. Whether you call it deindustrialization or “things done changed,” you’re talking about an enormous change in communities.

Question:

Chuck D of Public Enemy has been quoted as saying that 'rap is the CNN of the ghetto.' But you've made a case that rap has relevance to us all.

Answer:

Now the recession is making joblessness much more common for whites. When you think about what’s been happening broadly in society — increasing inequality levels, de-industrialization, outsourcing — these trends are affecting us all.

Question:

Considering that context, it makes sense that your research showed that nihilism was prevalent in rap. But does the fact that it's more common than misogyny surprise people?

Answer:

It does surprise people. I analyzed 403 songs on albums that went platinum between 1992 and 2000. The most common subject was respect, and that was closely trailed by violence. Wealth came in third. But nihilism, which appeared in 25 percent of the songs, was more common than objectification of women, which was just over 22 percent. I should point out that nihilism was not a passing reference, but a major theme. 

Question:

When did you get interested in rap? I couldn't help notice that you're white, and a woman.

Answer:

I grew up in Los Angeles. We had busing, and for a while there, I was going to a school in an African American neighborhood. I got exposed to a lot of this music. There was a group called Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. They had a song called “The Message.”  It’s about what life is like, in terms of being a jungle out there and daily life, people stressing about how to pay their bills. The refrain is: “Don’t push me ‘cause I’m close to the edge / I’m tryin’ not to lose my head / It’s like a jungle sometimes / it makes me wonder how I keep from going under.”  I loved that song.  

Question:

From public school in Los Angeles to Smith College must have been a leap.

Answer:

I became an ardent feminist at Smith. My anthem was Queen Latifah’s song “Ladies First.” I used to hum it to myself when I walked around campus.  

Question:

That song is great. It's very witty, and a martial assertion of women's rights. So you brought the two worlds together?

Answer:

Right. And I became a sociologist, so I turned it into a career. I taught at George Washington University in D.C. for 11 years, and I joined the UC Irvine faculty last summer. I really wanted to work with graduate students, and Irvine’s program is ranked very highly among criminology and criminal justice doctoral programs. We’ll see if I get less hard-core over time, now that I’m in the Irvine suburbs.