Question:

You recently left UC Davis after 25 years. What did you leave behind, in terms of the work you do?

Answer:

We run a project at the Jepson Prairie Preserve in the Sacramento Valley, one of the UC Natural Reserve System sites. Our study is a very detailed, 10-year study of the California tiger salamander, which is an endangered species. We’re in year nine.

Question:

So the location was important.

Answer:

This study really leverages the Natural Reserve System because it utilizes the vernal pool the salamanders breed in. Vernal pools are ephemeral, and increasingly rare in California. The vernal pool at Jepson, Olcott Lake, may be the largest vernal pool left in the Central Valley. It’s enormous, about 80 acres when it fills up.

Question:

So researchers have to run out to Jepson whenever it rains?

Answer:

That’s not the only challenge when it comes to this salamander. They spend all but a handful of the days and nights of the year underground in gopher burrows, so you don’t know where they are. When it rains, they march up to ponds and breed and march back down again. It’s really a trick to find out where they are and how much land you need to protect to keep a healthy population of salamanders.

Question:

We were wondering if you were conflicted about the threat posed by interbreeding with the introduced species, because scientifically, it's very interesting, yet it's a significant threat to the native species, as well.

Answer:

That’s exactly right. The story fascinated me. In the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s, essentially all the rivers in California were dammed and all these fish from the eastern U.S. were introduced, creating a sportfishing industry that is 100 percent based on non-native fishes in reservoirs and non-natural bodies of water.

California tiger salamanders had larvae and those larvae were used as bait, but the California salamanders metamorphose and turn into the terrestrial form when they’re only about 5 inches long, while salamanders from other places get huge, a foot long. 

Question:

So it was obvious to use those non-native salamanders?

Answer:

Fifty years ago, yes. I actually found one of the guys who transplanted the non-natives from Texas and New Mexico. Took him out to lunch, we chatted about it. He wasn’t doing anything illegal at the time.

Question:

What's the science interest?

Answer:

This hybridization phenomenon is fascinating. You take two species; they’ve been separated for 5 million years. Do a massive transplantation experiment and see what happens. Today, after 50 or 60 years, we have the ability to look at individual genes and the genome, and see if there are parts of the native genome that outperform the non-native one and vice versa.

Question:

Are we learning anything new about speciation from the unfortunate-sounding marriage?

Answer:

One of the fascinating things from a scientific perspective is that it’s really in its early stages. We’re talking about 20 or 30 generations of salamanders. Some of the genes that are coming in from the non-native species are extraordinarily favored by natural selection. Within a couple of generations they replace the native genes. I never would have predicted that, because the California tiger salamanders evolved here. Why in the world would these non-native genes be so much more fit? 

We have 68 genes that we’ve studied closely. Three of the non-natives trounce the native genes. They take over more quickly and they move more rapidly across the landscape, and the three genes together act as a unit. We have evidence suggesting that if a salamander has these non-native genes, they grow more quickly, they metamorphose at a much bigger size, and that probably means they can walk faster and move across the landscape more quickly.

Question:

A salamander super race?

Answer:

Exactly. The only reason we can understand it in this case is that we’re watching it happen in real time. If these genes had spread across the native species you’d just think it was something that evolved here, in the native species. You need pure populations to compare to the hybrid. This hybridization event is very recent, but it’s old enough so that these dynamics are happening.

Question:

Great science, but not so great for the salamander.

Answer:

We’re working closely with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the California Department of Fish and Game to find ways to incentivize landowners to modify their land to favor the native salamander. From a conservation point of view it’s a horrible problem, but from a biological point of view it’s fascinating. We’ve invested a lot in studying it from both points of view.